Re: Ant vs Maven [Was: Building 3.0 from trunk]

From: Mike Kienenberger (
Date: Sun Feb 25 2007 - 14:10:27 EST

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    Something broke. :-) This is a code checkout from last night (EST).

    1562K downloaded
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    [INFO] Failed to resolve artifact.

    1) com.atlassian.confluence:confluence-soap:jar:2.0

      Try downloading the file manually from the project website.

      Then, install it using the command:
          mvn install:install-file -DgroupId=com.atlassian.confluence -DartifactId=c
    onfluence-soap \
              -Dversion=2.0 -Dpackaging=jar -Dfile=/path/to/file

      Path to dependency:
            2) com.atlassian.confluence:confluence-soap:jar:2.0

    1 required artifact is missing.

    for artifact:

    from the specified remote repositories:
      central (,
      apache-snapshots (

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    [INFO] For more information, run Maven with the -e switch
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    [INFO] Total time: 1 minute 5 seconds
    [INFO] Finished at: Sun Feb 25 13:58:47 EST 2007
    [INFO] Final Memory: 8M/16M
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    On 2/25/07, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
    > > As a maven-based project developer, I hate it :-)
    > +1 - I am with you on that.
    > > Everything takes much longer to build.
    > Didn't notice that in Cayenne, but I won't be surprised - with Ant
    > you can tailor the build much easier.
    > > Nothing "just works" in Eclipse anymore.
    > Eclipse works fine for Cayenne core modules. Itests often break,
    > cause they are built against unstable versions of Geronimo, OpenEjb
    > and pieces of third party J2EE stack components. Good thing is that
    > you can work with individual modules as separate projects if you have
    > your local repo bootstrapped from command line first.
    > > And when something breaks or needs changing, it's beyond my skill-
    > > set to
    > > try to fix it.
    > +1 - maven breaks A LOT and it is the most convoluted build
    > environment that I know of.
    > > Mind you, I haven't tried 3.0 recently because I fear maven, so in
    > > the specific case of Cayenne, I may be overreacting.
    > You should - I put lots of work in making it bearable (such as
    > setting Eclipse project files in SVN, etc). It works now.
    > > I know some people may want to do me physical damage for this, but
    > > should we reconsider the maven choice?
    > -1
    > I take full responsibility for endorsing the move a year ago when the
    > idea was proposed - it was a mistake, and we paid for it. But
    > currently we have an environment that works. We are still prone to
    > maven "upgrades", but going back would be a bad idea as well. Here is
    > the benefits of Maven that we now enjoy between the sleepless nights
    > fixing the POMs:
    > * We joined the club of gullible people who bought into the Maven
    > hype (I thought such thing would never happen to me :-)), so now we
    > have a common (though crappy) platform for integration of the code
    > from different projects up and down stream. I remember how much pain
    > it was to create Maven artifacts out of Ant Cayenne in the past.
    > * Maven popularity leaves some (if not much) hope that it will be
    > fixed someday. (OT: believe it or not, even WebObjects developers are
    > considering Maven these days!!!)
    > * The project structure indeed became more organized than it was before.
    > * As the number of modules grows, the ability to build them one-by-
    > one becomes more important. You can do it with Maven, we couldn't do
    > it with the old Ant based system.
    > Andrus

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