If the reason people want to fork is the license, there's not much
that Apache can do. Projects built at Apache are released with the
Apache license.
But if the reason is to build a community and there is too high a
barrier in established Apache projects for committers to become
productive, this can be solved easily enough. Find the folks who are
interested and bring them into the incubator along with the dataviews
code. They can become committers immediately and start working on the
code in the incubator. When the project is ready for graduation,
those people who have contributed positively will be easy to
identify, and presumably they will have earned commit privileges in
the project they graduate to.
Craig
On Nov 3, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Actually we had a similar discussion some time ago, and also
> related to DataViews. Forking and relicensing is an easy option:
>
> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/lists/cayenne-devel/
> 2007/04/0035.html
>
> Whoever wants to work on a fork, I suggest you contact Adrian
> Wiesmann (who is likely reading this list). I think he already did
> a fork and placed it on SourceForge (?)
>
> I disagree that Apache license as such is unfriendly to GUI
> projects (at least I haven't heard any reasonable argument to back
> that idea), but the fact that most existing libraries converged
> around (L)GPL could definitely play its role as a high barrier to
> entry. Although there are notable exceptions - JGoodies uses BSD
> license.
>
> Finally I have no idea why people are so afraid to contribute to
> Apache. There are no barriers, except for the ones that any
> established project would have, namely that the people involved in
> the project value their reputation built over the years, and
> therefore require new contributors to go through the karma building
> process, before giving them write access. I think that's very
> reasonable.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote:
>
>> There's nothing stopping you from forking a branch of DataViews.
>>
>> However, you cannot change the license to LGPL.
>>
>> On 11/3/07, Demetrios Kyriakis <demetrios.kyriaki..ooglemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Since the Cayenne team is not very interested in DataViews, but
>>> many users
>>> are, the most simple solution to me looks to move DataViews to a
>>> place where
>>> users can contribute much easier.
>>>
>>> Because of it's "patch" based contribution restriction, and
>>> especially of
>>> the long list of incompatible "licenses", I'm not sure if
>>> Apache.org is the
>>> best place to get help from users with as few as possible
>>> "barriers".
>>>
>>> Also an important step would be to switch the license from Apache
>>> to LGPL.
>>> It seems that the Apache license is not too GUI friendly: just
>>> looks how few
>>> projects on Apache.org have GUI's and how many good GUI oriented
>>> libraries
>>> or tools are LGPL.
>>>
>>> Any other ideas on what could be done to re-invigorate DataViews?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Demetrios.
>>> --
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>
Craig Russell
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