Re: 3.0.1 - next steps

From: Mike Kienenberger (mkienen..mail.com)
Date: Wed Aug 18 2010 - 16:08:05 UTC

  • Next message: Andrew Lindesay: "Re: 3.0.1 - next steps"

    Michael was just complaining about it, so you've seen one :)
    I explained why we might want a separate dependencies download (size reasons).

    My personal preference is that every binary package would also contain
    the entire contents of our source package (docs, examples, src, etc),
    but I was throwing out an alternative idea since the complaint came
    up.

    On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Andrus Adamchik
    <andru..bjectstyle.org> wrote:
    > I am very much in favor of a single download per environment. So that users don't have to hunt for the pieces they need. They get all in one file. So I don't see why we should change our current practice, and in fact think it is quite elegant. Haven't seen a single complaint about it.
    >
    > Ok, we need a separate cayenne-src.tar.gz for reasons unrelated to the end users, but why change anything else?
    >
    > Andrus
    >
    >
    > On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote:
    >> Everyone is going to have different preferences.
    >>
    >> Personally, I like to have the src, sometimes the docs, but don't care
    >> to much for any of the rest of it.   And I don't use maven.
    >>
    >> I think if our basic source package contains the "extras", then the
    >> binary package can just contain the minimal parts needed to make
    >> Cayenne run.   In my opinion, the best package schemes allow you to
    >> download the binary package, then download the source/docs/examples
    >> package over the top of it.
    >>
    >> I wonder how practical it might be to also create a dependencies
    >> package, something that only contains all of the third-party jars
    >> needed to make things work.  That could address some of the concerns
    >> which were mentioned before.   And as a separate package, it wouldn't
    >> inconvenience those who don't need it.
    >>
    >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andrus Adamchik
    >> <andru..bjectstyle.org> wrote:
    >>> I see.
    >>>
    >>> We have to have a sane number of downloads. That's the only reason we have packaging that we have now. Don't see anything wrong with a few extra megabytes of stuff in there. I am personally very annoyed with other projects not including the docs for instance.
    >>>
    >>> Andrus
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Michael Gentry wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> When I downloaded the 3.0.1 DMG for OS X, I have CayenneModeler.app
    >>>> (good), README.txt (fine), and a cayenne-3.0.1 folder with
    >>>> doc/lib/src/tutorials/etc in it (stuff I ignore/throw away).  I'd just
    >>>> as soon not have that in the DMG and have a separate download if I
    >>>> wanted it.  For people using Maven, that stuff will get pulled in via
    >>>> the POM, so it is a bit overkill when you just want the modeler (which
    >>>> is used outside of Maven).
    >>>>
    >>>> mrg
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >
    >



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