RE: Cayenne x Hibernate x Any other ORM FW

From: Steve Wells (
Date: Wed Sep 22 2004 - 00:07:52 EDT

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    Try a search for Cayenne on:

    Besides the article from Andrus and Eric take a look at the one by Bill

    There was also some talk on the Tapestry list but I couldn't find it

    I've used Hibernate before and found it quite good, but soon ran into
    some roadblocks that drove me nuts. I can't remember the details but
    found certain aspects to be less than intuitive and took a day or 2
    overcoming a few issues. This was over a year ago so maybe it has
    gotten better (as I have as well). I tryed Cayenne on a recent project
    and had a lot of success, I wouldn't say it was all smooth sailing but
    that was because I was learning it and Struts at the same time, and I
    NEVER had the same trouble as I did with Hibernate. Thats just my
    experience anyway.


    ----- Original message -----
    From: "Gary Jarrel" <>
    Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:32:12 +1000
    Subject: RE: Cayenne x Hibernate x Any other ORM FW

    I've come across this comparison: a while back
    this is what originally made me choose Cayenne, I've just looked at it,
    it has changed somewhat but still quite interesting. Hope it helps.

    I personally think Cayenne is a fantastic tool, when compared to other
    that I've used. Extremely easy to learn, easy to use, fast and reliable.
    mailing list is fantastic, and the community is great.

    Fantastic job guys. Congrats.

    - Gary

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Andrus Adamchik []
    Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:16 PM
    Subject: Re: Cayenne x Hibernate x Any other ORM FW

    I can't comment on Hibernate as I never used it. Though I know there is
    a few more folks who have experience with both, so please help us out.

    What I can say is that our community is actually an advantage over
    Hibernate overgrown crowd. Requests are never left unanswered (or
    answered with RTFM). Just look at the comments in this thread - -
    you'll see what I mean ;-) IMO Cayenne is currently in this "sweet
    spot" of the community size with the best signal-to-noise ratio.

    So basically your colleague overlooked a valuable resource - this
    mailing list, or simply was too shy to ask. I am sure he'd be running
    in no time if he'd asked for help.


    On Sep 21, 2004, at 10:50 PM, Joćo Paulo Vasconcellos wrote:
    > Yeah, that's right. But against me, there's a new developer at my job
    > that spend 2 weeks trying to use cayenne without success. I still
    > think it was something wrong with his setup, but at the time I did not
    > had the time to find out the problem. Anyway, he is someone that is
    > against cayenne's easy-to-use argument. That's why I was seeking a
    > succes story of some kind, mainly because Hibernate is far more
    > popular here in Brasil...

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