Re: Object state after persist: consistent with JPA?

From: Michael Gentry (mgentr..asslight.net)
Date: Thu Mar 12 2009 - 14:00:03 EDT

  • Next message: Francisco Peredo: "Re: Object state after persist: consistent with JPA?"

    Actually, Cayenne 3.0 final will probably *not* be JPA compliant.
    Things change, of course, but that is my guess at this point. If
    immediate JPA compliance is a requirement, Cayenne doesn't currently
    meet that. The "Cayenne Classic" functionality, which is similar to
    EOF, is in pretty good shape, though.

    Does JPA even offer the object context feature? To me, that is a huge
    feature of Cayenne (and EOF).

    /dev/mrg

    On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Francisco Peredo
    <franciscopered..abasco.gob.mx> wrote:
    >
    > Well, Cayenne 3.0 (when finally released) will be a complaint provider.  :-P
    >
    > What I would like is to switch from Hibernate in to Cayenne to take
    > advantage what I percieve to be weaknesses of Hibernate way of doing ORM.
    >
    > I am looking to progressively switch from JPA/Hibernate to JPA/Cayenne. Do
    > you think it is a bad idea?
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Andrus Adamchik wrote:
    >>
    >> NEW, IIRC. Would be weird to have it COMMITTED at this point in
    >> lifecycle. In general if you want to stay on JPA, I'd still recommend
    >> using a compliant provider. Cayenne's strength is its "classic" API.
    >>
    >> Andrus
    >>
    >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Francisco Peredo wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Hi!
    >>>
    >>> And about the state of an object after you call
    >>> entityManager.persist(object) with Cayenne... can your offer any
    >>> insights?...I mean in what state is the object? NEW (as it should to
    >>> be
    >>> consistent with Cayenne classic?) or COMMITTED? (to be consistent
    >>> with JPA
    >>> as implemented by Hibernate)
    >>>
    >>> Does it really need to be COMMITTED to be consistent with JPA? Or is
    >>> this an
    >>> abstraction leak in JPA/Hibernate ?
    >>>
    >>> Regards,
    >>>
    >>> Francisco
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 12/03/2009, at 9:04 AM, Francisco Peredo wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Hi!I really wonder why nobody has built something like Cayenne on
    >>>>> top of JPA,
    >>>>> I mean, it should be clear that Cayenne is higher level API that
    >>>>> offers a
    >>>>> lot of advantages..
    >>>>
    >>>> Andrus has already spent a vast amount of time on moving Cayenne
    >>>> toward JPA compliance. It is not a goal for 3.0 because other more
    >>>> important issues are being addressed first. Even though quite a lot
    >>>> of
    >>>> JPA already works, as you know with the JSR process, you can't be
    >>>> 'almost compliant'. Cayenne will only be able to be advertised as JPA
    >>>> compliant when all the tests pass.
    >>>>
    >>>> As for inheritance, Cayenne already supports single table inheritance
    >>>> and vertical/horizontal are probably only some months away.
    >>>>
    >>>> Finally, don't be scared by the 3.0M6 naming. It is certainly stable
    >>>> enough to be used in production, however there is no guarantee that
    >>>> the API is finalised. So if you use the milestone you may need to
    >>>> alter your code slightly for the next milestone.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Regards
    >>>> Ari
    >>>>
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    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
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    >>
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    >>
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