Kurt,
We already discussed problems caused by excessive posting (publicly
on this list and privately with some folks) and I think this issue is
already resolved. The average traffic is back to normal, no need to
worry :-)
Andrus
On Sep 15, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Kurt Werle wrote:
> I find this list interesting. The amount of noise traffice is now
> excessive, however.
>
> Please remove Gili from the list.
>
> Thanks,
> Kurt
>
> <quote who="Cris Daniluk">
>
>> Obviously, this is my own opinion, but I think that you have used
>> some
>> of the most innane features Cayenne has to offer. I have used Cayenne
>> on several very applications that take quite a bit of traffic and
>> never had to deal with the crap you have. I don't know how much of it
>> is that your application has special needs, and how much of it is
>> that
>> you are special, but I don't think it really matters.
>>
>> I would propose that the API stays the way it is - hiding the stuff
>> that most people just don't need to care about. I can tell you that I
>> got a team of developers up and running with Cayenne expertise far
>> faster than I have ever been able to with Hibernate, if that's any
>> consolation...
>>
>> On 9/15/05, Gili <cowwo..bs.darktech.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ok, I've finally ported enough of my application that I can
>>> begin to
>>> give you some feedback.
>>>
>>> Cayenne seems to be faster than Hibernate in some areas,
>>> slower
>>> in
>>> others. I don't have very reliable figures as of yet but I'd
>>> guestimate
>>> that Cayenne yields equivilent performance to Hibernate.
>>>
>>> Ease of use... Hibernate is easier to get up and running
>>> with;
>>> it
>>> definately requires less work up-front. On the other hand, if
>>> something
>>> breaks while you're developing in Cayenne it seems to be easier to
>>> figure out what is wrong and how to fix it than Hibernate. With
>>> Hibernate this takes days, whereas in Cayenne this takes hours.
>>>
>>> If there is one feedback I would send to the Cayenne authors
>>> it's that
>>> ease-of-use needs to be improved. It is true that Cayenne is
>>> functionally similar to Hibernate, but the Cayenne API makes you
>>> jump
>>> through too many hoops to get anything done. You end up having to
>>> learn
>>> way too much about Cayenne's internals to get anything done. A
>>> simple
>>> example is flushing the context cache:
>>>
>>> context.invalidateObjects(context.getObjectStore().getObjects());
>>>
>>> The API needs to be more user-oriented; less technical, more
>>> human.
>>> "Context.flush()" is far more readable and easier to learn than the
>>> current API. This is just one example; there are a handful of
>>> others. I
>>> understand a lot of you are coming from a EOF background, but
>>> coming at
>>> this with a blank slate it isn't the cleanest API in the world.
>>>
>>> I'd like to propose a few API changes but I'm not sure if
>>> it all
>>> right
>>> to discuss this on the mailing list...?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gili
>>> --
>>> http://www.desktopbeautifier.com/
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