Re: Web site link to example and a proposal for a new example link

From: Andrus Adamchik (andru..bjectstyle.org)
Date: Mon Aug 09 2010 - 11:32:24 UTC

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    Hi Martin,

    I see. I guess the concept of a "framework as an example" wasn't
    immediately clear to me. Now I added a link to Yafra to the examples
    page. Thanks a lot for your work!

    Andrus

    On Aug 8, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Martin Weber wrote:
    > Hi Andrus,
    >
    > agree with your point, wrong location and it is easy to find it in
    > google. I still think it would be worth adding a link to http://yafra.sourceforge.net/
    > with a short description like "Using Cayenne within different java
    > technologies - a jump start".
    >
    > The whole framework is based on Apache Cayenne. My driving point was
    > building different applications with a database as central back end.
    > Apache Cayenne was the ORM of choice. Instead of building a concrete
    > application to share with others, the idea came up to share all the
    > findings and the chosen approaches as a sort of a framework. The
    > framework shows how I embedded Apache Cayenne into Apache Wicket or
    > in simple console/batch programs or with a fat client written in
    > Eclipse RCP using EJB's (not using JPA) to access the Cayenne layer.
    >
    > I will put some more effort into the trac sourceforge.net page to
    > give a better understanding how yafra shall be used.
    >
    > Hope it helps,
    > Cheers,
    > Martin
    >
    >
    > On 08.08.2010 20:59, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
    >> Hi Martin,
    >>
    >>> May I suggest to add the Apache Cayenne examples below the success
    >>> stories on the main page or within the success stories. The examples
    >>> are quite hard to find (it's referenced on the cwiki index page)
    >>> and I
    >>> could find it only through google for apache cayenne examples.
    >>
    >> I don't think examples belong on success stories page, as the
    >> purpose of
    >> the later is quite different - to highlight the use of Cayenne on
    >> some
    >> real-life projects. But answering your general point... The problem
    >> with
    >> the examples on cwiki, namely this link -
    >> https://cwiki.apache.org/CAY/cayenne-examples.html , is that all of
    >> those are old, unmaintained (as a matter of fact I just removed/
    >> changed
    >> some links that no longer work), and many are likely obsolete.
    >>
    >> This is a #1 link shown to me by Google when searching for "cayenne
    >> examples", so it is not hard to find per se, but the question is
    >> whether
    >> we want to endorse our old set of examples. I'd say them staying a
    >> step
    >> away from the main site is actually good in current situation :-)
    >>
    >>> If possible, somebody could add the link to my project as a further
    >>> example of using cayenne within different technology setups. A
    >>> link to
    >>> http://yafra.sourceforge.net/ would be excellent. It is yet another
    >>> framework, but not in fact to be reused as such, more to get / take
    >>> what you need to have a better learning curve.
    >>>
    >>> I used cayenne with the DTO pattern within EJB3 setup serving an
    >>> Eclipse RCP EJB3 fat client (using Apache OpenEJB). As well a small
    >>> example using Apache Wicket with Cayenne. Working on a Google Web
    >>> Toolkit example and would like to move on to Eclipse Riena using
    >>> distributed OSGi (they use Hessian as well, seems to be an
    >>> interesting
    >>> example). With the yafra framework I did already a ROP example, but
    >>> not yet published. All sources are under SVN as Eclipse projects. I
    >>> use Trac to document.
    >>
    >> Could you provide links to the parts of Yafra that can be used as
    >> standalone Cayenne examples (does this request even make sense in the
    >> context of Yafra? Not sure how it is organized) Or maybe
    >> alternatively
    >> you can provide us with a small writeup, explaining those parts
    >> that we
    >> can put on the wiki with links back to the appropriate pieces of
    >> Yafra?
    >>
    >> Cheers,
    >> Andrus
    >>
    >



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