Jeff,
True, our project is different from a brand new incubating project in
that we have a team and a product. This discussion made this
distinction clear to me, as I kept wondering about how casually
people ask to become a committer on the incubator list ... this of
course would make sense for the *new* new projects.
See you on Jira. Not sure if you are subscribed to the dev list,
probably a good idea when we start discussing technical issues.
Cheers,
Andrus
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jeff Genender <jgenende..pache.org>
> Date: March 24, 2006 7:18:01 PM GMT+03:00
> To: Andrus Adamchik <andru..bjectstyle.org>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Committer status for Jeff Genender
> Reply-To: jgenende..pache.org
>
> Andrus,
>
> No problem here. My thoughts about the committership were definitely
> not to break the rules of meritocracy, and I surely hope I did not
> give
> that impression.
>
> My thoughts were the opportunity of Apache incubation where w/in that
> time period, you have the ability to add on Apache people to help out
> from a committership perspective. This is a common thing at Apache,
> where when a project comes in through the incubator, other Apache
> committers may show an interest in a project and ask to become a part,
> and you are able to put together a team of Apache and non-Apache
> people.
> So I was really just taking the opportunity to take advantage of this
> time to expedite my ability to help out.
>
> Nevertheless, I am pleased you have such a strong community that cares
> about knowing all of the developers. This is great, so yes, please
> allow me the ability to submit patches and such and earn my way in. I
> think this is the best way to get on board, especially from a
> community
> perspective...and its the Apache way ;-)
>
> Feel free to share this with the rest of the Cayenne team.
>
> Thanks for yours, and your team's consideration..and see you on
> JIRA ;-)
>
> Jeff
>
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Andrus Adamchik <andru..bjectstyle.org>
>>> Date: March 24, 2006 5:41:21 PM GMT+03:00
>>> To: cayenne-de..ncubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Committer status for Jeff Genender
>>>
>>> You are right, I have to concede that I started the vote too early
>>> (too eager to get the JPA stuff going I guess :-)). So let's
>>> consider
>>> this a discussion thread, and postpone the vote till we come to some
>>> consensus.
>>>
>>> Basically there is a dilemma that we need to solve. Jeff hasn't
>>> contributed to Cayenne before and thus giving him committer status
>>> right now would be against our normal practice. On the other hand he
>>> volunteered to do work in the very important area, and we should
>>> figure out a good way to do that.
>>>
>>> So while trust my instincts that this cooperation will work out
>>> well,
>>> bending the rules is not a good idea. So maybe start with Jira
>>> patches, and do the committer vote after we learn more about Jeff
>>> and
>>> Jeff learns more about Cayenne??
>>>
>>> What's everyone's thoughts on that?
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how to word this delicately, so I'll just go bluntly
>>>> instead.
>>>> The problem is that I've never heard of Jeff. Indeed, a quick
>>>> search
>>>> through my local archive of the dev and user lists, going back
>>>> about
>>>> a year,
>>>> show nothing from Jeff at all. So, while he may be very
>>>> qualified, I
>>>> unfortunately have no way to gauge that. Perhaps a mini-bio
>>>> would be
>>>> appropriate. Activity in the Cayenne community would be better.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, Andrus has given it his blessing. As Andrus has
>>>> done a
>>>> pretty good job steering the project thus far and he is the primary
>>>> contributor, his endorsement means a lot.
>>>>
>>>> In any event, I'm all for building up relations with other
>>>> projects.
>>>> I just
>>>> don't have enough information to give this a thumbs up.
>>>>
>>>> So for now:
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Menard: -0 (binding)
>>>>
>>>> Although, I'm a pretty open-minded person. If my concerns can be
>>>> addressed
>>>> in a reasonable manner, I have no qualms about changing my vote.
>>>>
>>>> --Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/24/06 7:28 AM, "Andrus Adamchik" <andru..bjectstyle.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Genender asked if he can become a Cayenne committer. He is an
>>>>> Apache committer (OpenEJB and Geronimo) and wants to help us
>>>>> with the
>>>>> JPA effort and integration with Geronimo. IMO it is great that
>>>>> we are
>>>>> finding synergies with Geronimo community, so I am excited
>>>>> about Jeff
>>>>> coming on board.
>>>>>
>>>>> My +1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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